First and second pages of NY passenger list of Taormina with names crossed off, Jan 28, 1914 |
What it really meant was that the person did not get off the ship. As mentioned, that could be because the person died on board, or because they never got on board to begin with, it could also mean that the individual didn't get off the ship at that port of arrival but rather remained on board until disembarking at a secondary port of call. This was the case with some of my ancestors, who arrived in New York on January 28, 1914 on board the Taormina - their names are crossed off so they didn't got off the ship there. There is then a second passenger list from their arrival in Philadelphia a couple days later on January 30, 1914 where their names were not crossed off.
Australia Domenica Scioli was born and died on board the ship she was named after in 1880 - while it notes she died, her name is not crossed off |
First and second pages of Philadelphia passenger list of Taormina with names of those crossed off in NY, Jan 30, 1914 |
So if you see an ancestor or relative whose name is crossed off on a passenger list, don't assume they died on board, or never boarded to begin with. Do some more investigating to see if the ship carried onto another port of call where they might have disembarked. If you're not finding anything by searching for the person's name, try searching by the arrival year and the ship's name. The arrival port officers were working off of the ship's records, which meant the handwriting could sometimes be misinterpreted and copied incorrectly (this doesn't mean a misspelling was a permanent name change). And of course, there's always the digital transcription which could be incorrect too and preventing you from finding the record by the individual's name. This also works for when you may have gotten an individual's immigration data from a naturalization record but can't find the passenger list by searching by name. Of course, by the time of naturalization, the individual may have been misremembering the exact details of their immigration so if you don't find the passenger list by the arrival date and ship name, you may need to make use of wildcards in the name. You can use a '?' in place of a letter, or an '*' in place of several letters but you must have at least three real letters in there for it to work.
Happy searching!
Thank you for explaining! Found your post from a Google search.
ReplyDeletefound you on a google search to learn more about why an ancestor was crossed off. great article; very clear. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteOn the same topic, when a passenger's name is crossed off and then it is marked STET, it means the crossing out was a mistake. The term STET indicates that it should remain as it stood originally. A line of dots may be written under the words crossed out meaning that no attention should be paid to the crossing out.
ReplyDeleteThank you! In 5 minutes flat you solved something I have been questioning for 4 years. My maternal grandmother and her son were crossed off a ship Vedic manifest. I never knew why as I know they arrived her in Pennsylvania in 1921. Well as it goes, they left Germany and went to Liverpool, England. I assumed they boarded another ship to New York but could never find that. As it turns out now, they must have stayed on the ship in Liverpool as others boarded.
DeleteNow I have to figure out why the dates of her birth and the age on the manifest don't hook up. I am thinking there is more to this story than we have been told! The mystery thickens.
Thank you again from another Pennsylvanian. (near Pittsburgh)
Hi Can you let me know why a manifest page that I am looking at has 29 names crossed of with an annotation at the bottom saying "29 N.R."? Thank you.
ReplyDeleteInteresting, I really don't know - I would guess it means something like "not reported" or "not recorded", maybe an indication that they didn't board? You'd probably have to research those particular people more.
DeleteI have a distant relative and her daughter who's name was crossed out on the arrival manifest of the ship Cleveland and then shows up on the arrival manifest of the ship Americka one day later. I have crossed checked all information and I know that both manifests show my relatives and I have not mistaken them for someone else. How could they be on two different ships one day apart? I also found the departure manifest of the American from Hamburg and they are both on that. Any ideas?
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like maybe they were booked to be on the Cleveland, but never got on it, so they took the Americka later. Maybe something delayed them and they couldn't get to the port on time. Crossed off names basically means they did not get off that ship at that port, and there are several reasons that could happen. In my example, it's because they got off the same ship at a different port - but it could also be because they died on board, or because they never got on that ship to begin with. It sounds like the latter is the case for your relatives.
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